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		<title>By: djkenny</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164859</link>
		<dc:creator>djkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on the same page and have shared the same thought many a times. 

My little 87 Chevrolet Sprint Turbo, that I have had since I purchased it in 1992 with 107k, still get&#039;s over 40 mpg. It was 2 grand back then, and I can sell it for more than that now. It also has the same exact carbon emission as a brand spanken new Prius. 

2 grand 15 yrs+ ago instead of dropping 25 grand on a new Prius. Hmmm? 

It only has 189k now...btw...bussing and biking keeps the miles down. 

It is also beneficial to reduce, reuse, repair, recycle. Dropping 25 grand down on a Prius would not fit that measure of living. 

I have every intention to rebuild the motor if and when it need&#039;s it...if the air cars are not released, or I am not living in Amsterdam like you!

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on the same page and have shared the same thought many a times. </p>
<p>My little 87 Chevrolet Sprint Turbo, that I have had since I purchased it in 1992 with 107k, still get&#8217;s over 40 mpg. It was 2 grand back then, and I can sell it for more than that now. It also has the same exact carbon emission as a brand spanken new Prius. </p>
<p>2 grand 15 yrs+ ago instead of dropping 25 grand on a new Prius. Hmmm? </p>
<p>It only has 189k now&#8230;btw&#8230;bussing and biking keeps the miles down. </p>
<p>It is also beneficial to reduce, reuse, repair, recycle. Dropping 25 grand down on a Prius would not fit that measure of living. </p>
<p>I have every intention to rebuild the motor if and when it need&#8217;s it&#8230;if the air cars are not released, or I am not living in Amsterdam like you!</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: DRock</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164837</link>
		<dc:creator>DRock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great info thanks djkenny - a lot of times reducing use and increasing efficiency out performs drastic green tech.  Hybrid cars face a similar dilemma a Prius is 25k and avgs 45 mpg a Honda Fit (which I think is an awesome car) is 15k and gets about 35 mpg 

If gas costs $2 a gallon and you drive 12k miles a year, you only save $152 a year on gas with the Prius</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great info thanks djkenny &#8211; a lot of times reducing use and increasing efficiency out performs drastic green tech.  Hybrid cars face a similar dilemma a Prius is 25k and avgs 45 mpg a Honda Fit (which I think is an awesome car) is 15k and gets about 35 mpg </p>
<p>If gas costs $2 a gallon and you drive 12k miles a year, you only save $152 a year on gas with the Prius</p>
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		<title>By: djkenny</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164809</link>
		<dc:creator>djkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Portland, OR..people call the city by the Airport often : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portland, OR..people call the city by the Airport often : )</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164807</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PDX? interesting info... wheres PDX though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PDX? interesting info&#8230; wheres PDX though?</p>
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		<title>By: djkenny</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164804</link>
		<dc:creator>djkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a solar company do an estimate on solar panels for water heat in PDX. 

It turned out to be $4000 after the 30% tax incentives. I think the *total* was in the range of $7000. 

Not worth it really. 

Yes, apprix 1/2 of the water we heat would cost $.0.00...but when we can just buy a nice new reasonably energy efficient water heater for $670? Why bother? 

I can attest that after all the write offs, being 4 grand...I would argue that it is a MUCH better value than on demand water heaters. Those were $3500 installed. Too close to the still lofty cost of the panels and normal water heater. 

It would likely take over 10 years to have gains. Will we still be in our home 10 years from now? I don&#039;t know really.  I would like to live in an area that is a little out of our range currently, and work towards moving there and hopefully renting our place out (or selling it if there is considerable enough equity). 

For now...we will continue conservation measures by washing everything in cold water, taking shorter showers, having low flow faucets and shower heads, and making sure the dish washer is totally packed before running it. 

If the cost can be brought down to $1500 on the solar after incentives and rebates....I think we would raise our eyebrows and be mighty tempted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a solar company do an estimate on solar panels for water heat in PDX. </p>
<p>It turned out to be $4000 after the 30% tax incentives. I think the *total* was in the range of $7000. </p>
<p>Not worth it really. </p>
<p>Yes, apprix 1/2 of the water we heat would cost $.0.00&#8230;but when we can just buy a nice new reasonably energy efficient water heater for $670? Why bother? </p>
<p>I can attest that after all the write offs, being 4 grand&#8230;I would argue that it is a MUCH better value than on demand water heaters. Those were $3500 installed. Too close to the still lofty cost of the panels and normal water heater. </p>
<p>It would likely take over 10 years to have gains. Will we still be in our home 10 years from now? I don&#8217;t know really.  I would like to live in an area that is a little out of our range currently, and work towards moving there and hopefully renting our place out (or selling it if there is considerable enough equity). </p>
<p>For now&#8230;we will continue conservation measures by washing everything in cold water, taking shorter showers, having low flow faucets and shower heads, and making sure the dish washer is totally packed before running it. </p>
<p>If the cost can be brought down to $1500 on the solar after incentives and rebates&#8230;.I think we would raise our eyebrows and be mighty tempted!</p>
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		<title>By: djkenny</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164803</link>
		<dc:creator>djkenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a solar company do an estimate on solar panels for water heat. 

It turned out to be $4000 after the 30% tax incentives. I think the *total* was in the range of $7000. 

Not worth it really. 

Yes, apprix 1/2 of the water we heat would cost $.0.00...but when we can just buy a nice new reasonably energy efficient water heater for $670? Why bother? 

I can attest that after all the write offs, being 4 grand...I would argue that it is a MUCH better value than on demand water heaters. Those were $3500 installed. Too close to the still lofty cost of the panels and normal water heater. 

It would likely take over 10 years to have gains. Will we still be in our home 10 years from now? I don&#039;t know really.  I would like to live in an area that is a little out of our range currently, and work towards moving there and hopefully renting our place out (or selling it if there is considerable enough equity). 

For now...we will continue conservation measures by washing everything in cold water, taking shorter showers, having low flow faucets and shower heads, and making sure the dish washer is totally packed before running it. 

If the cost can be brought down to $1500 on the solar after incentives and rebates....I think we would raise our eyebrows and be mighty tempted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a solar company do an estimate on solar panels for water heat. </p>
<p>It turned out to be $4000 after the 30% tax incentives. I think the *total* was in the range of $7000. </p>
<p>Not worth it really. </p>
<p>Yes, apprix 1/2 of the water we heat would cost $.0.00&#8230;but when we can just buy a nice new reasonably energy efficient water heater for $670? Why bother? </p>
<p>I can attest that after all the write offs, being 4 grand&#8230;I would argue that it is a MUCH better value than on demand water heaters. Those were $3500 installed. Too close to the still lofty cost of the panels and normal water heater. </p>
<p>It would likely take over 10 years to have gains. Will we still be in our home 10 years from now? I don&#8217;t know really.  I would like to live in an area that is a little out of our range currently, and work towards moving there and hopefully renting our place out (or selling it if there is considerable enough equity). </p>
<p>For now&#8230;we will continue conservation measures by washing everything in cold water, taking shorter showers, having low flow faucets and shower heads, and making sure the dish washer is totally packed before running it. </p>
<p>If the cost can be brought down to $1500 on the solar after incentives and rebates&#8230;.I think we would raise our eyebrows and be mighty tempted!</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164788</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now googling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now googling.</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
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		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks like your favorite boys keith and mike can help. Ill find out what I can for you mama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks like your favorite boys keith and mike can help. Ill find out what I can for you mama.</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164786</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is your friend related to keef?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is your friend related to keef?</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164785</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES. Im curious how things go for them. like do they get support from the state gov. Are they really over-run with requests? Yes marky want interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES. Im curious how things go for them. like do they get support from the state gov. Are they really over-run with requests? Yes marky want interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Momthe queen</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164784</link>
		<dc:creator>Momthe queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ho! I am interested. I need information...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ho! I am interested. I need information&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164783</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your parents are looking... I am friends with a guy who does that. Just let me know :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your parents are looking&#8230; I am friends with a guy who does that. Just let me know <img src='http://citizenreporter.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DRock</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cost benefit for solar is still way out of people&#039;s range, even with gov&#039;t subsidies it&#039;s really expensive.  Though I&#039;m really interested in the how much and how long it would take to repay itself etc. 

The tax credits are a pretty good deal, you can write off 30% of home efficiency improvements up to $1,500.  Also, the weatherization program for low income people went from 200 million to 6 billion - that program itself is blog story.  See Van Jones green collar jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost benefit for solar is still way out of people&#8217;s range, even with gov&#8217;t subsidies it&#8217;s really expensive.  Though I&#8217;m really interested in the how much and how long it would take to repay itself etc. </p>
<p>The tax credits are a pretty good deal, you can write off 30% of home efficiency improvements up to $1,500.  Also, the weatherization program for low income people went from 200 million to 6 billion &#8211; that program itself is blog story.  See Van Jones green collar jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2009/02/mom-still-wants-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-164781</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of my relatives actually install solar stuffs.  http://www.trinitysolarsystems.com/

Marky want an interview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my relatives actually install solar stuffs.  <a href="http://www.trinitysolarsystems.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.trinitysolarsystems.com/</a></p>
<p>Marky want an interview?</p>
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