Comments on: bm292 The Battle for Gaza Gas Reserves http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/ Under-reported news by a Portuguese-American, activist-journalist based in Amsterdam. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:21:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bicyclemark http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164747 bicyclemark Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:18:13 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164747 Its not necessarily a hidden agenda.. its simply an agenda that doesn't sell... If you want to sell a war to the public, its far easier to call it a matter of security and not a matter of economic influence.. sorry I know you know this I dont mean to be all elementary. Hamas has said since they were elected, that the deal was tantamount to theft and that it needed to be renegotiated.. that is no secret. However, its also not sexy news that makes the front pages or tonights TV headlines. And plenty of elements within hamas have a smiliar goal.. selling the idea of a permanent conflict in order to retain power. Anyway I dont think it will convince you, but thats my answer. Its not necessarily a hidden agenda.. its simply an agenda that doesn’t sell… If you want to sell a war to the public, its far easier to call it a matter of security and not a matter of economic influence.. sorry I know you know this I dont mean to be all elementary.
Hamas has said since they were elected, that the deal was tantamount to theft and that it needed to be renegotiated.. that is no secret. However, its also not sexy news that makes the front pages or tonights TV headlines. And plenty of elements within hamas have a smiliar goal.. selling the idea of a permanent conflict in order to retain power.
Anyway I dont think it will convince you, but thats my answer.

]]> By: Autoscriptor http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164743 Autoscriptor Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:52:17 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164743 That's really an interesting 'theory'. I have no problem with the second part of your story since I already hate Israel, so it will be very easy for someone in my position of hatred to believe that Israel had a hidden agenda for its' war in Gaza. However, I'm so addicted to news and political reports on the Middle East and especially during the Israeli offensive; don't you think Hamas would have gone public about that if it's really true? Why we didn't see a Hamas official on the TV screen from Damascus saying: <blockquote cite="Olmert, Tzipi Livni, and Ehud Barak are all liars. They don't want to -also cannot- stop our missiles. They are here to try to shut us up about our own natural gas reserves. But they will not be able to do that as well. Brothers and sisters everywhere, I here bring you the good news of our new natural gas strategy. Thanks to almighty God, we began to dig tunnels under the Mediterranean that will directly reach for our gas reserves. This is our natural right and no one should deny it. And if we were -God forbids- denied this right, we will use these tunnels to booby-trap these gas reserves. It's our gas and we shall blow it up whenever we want. God bless you all"></blockquote> That’s really an interesting ‘theory’. I have no problem with the second part of your story since I already hate Israel, so it will be very easy for someone in my position of hatred to believe that Israel had a hidden agenda for its’ war in Gaza. However, I’m so addicted to news and political reports on the Middle East and especially during the Israeli offensive; don’t you think Hamas would have gone public about that if it’s really true? Why we didn’t see a Hamas official on the TV screen from Damascus saying:

]]> By: bicyclemark http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164730 bicyclemark Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:06:26 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164730 Anon. first off welcome, though i wish youd feel free enough to use a name, glad to have comments. The part about gas reserves off the coast of gaza, and what took place in the late 90's and the deal negociations.. much of this program is actually a collection of events that actually took place. I guess the theory youre referring to is that there is some connection. Which is probably where we disagree, history teaches me that resources are always involved when it comes to politics and conflict. But you see different, ok. Dig around youll find several reports on a cross section of media and financial reporting sources that say Israel will exhaust key offshore gasfields rather soon. The haifa discovery doesnt change there desire to get at gas in their region, especially gas that can be gotten for cheap prices under obscure circumstances such as what takes place in the waters off Gaza. And finally, although I doubt you want to consider it, Hamas officials have already said they in fact would recognize israel.. but alas.. no wanted to hear it.. not even the extremists associated with their own party. I guess. Anon. first off welcome, though i wish youd feel free enough to use a name, glad to have comments.
The part about gas reserves off the coast of gaza, and what took place in the late 90′s and the deal negociations.. much of this program is actually a collection of events that actually took place. I guess the theory youre referring to is that there is some connection. Which is probably where we disagree, history teaches me that resources are always involved when it comes to politics and conflict. But you see different, ok.
Dig around youll find several reports on a cross section of media and financial reporting sources that say Israel will exhaust key offshore gasfields rather soon. The haifa discovery doesnt change there desire to get at gas in their region, especially gas that can be gotten for cheap prices under obscure circumstances such as what takes place in the waters off Gaza.
And finally, although I doubt you want to consider it, Hamas officials have already said they in fact would recognize israel.. but alas.. no wanted to hear it.. not even the extremists associated with their own party. I guess.

]]> By: anon http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164719 anon Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:00:40 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164719 Nice theory. Unfortunately, its not backed by reality. If Israel wanted to seize the gas off of Gaza's coast it could do so with impunity, and lacking any naval military resources whatever, the Gazans couldn't do anything about it. You don't fight a close-quarters war in Gaza city to seize resources off shore or to renegotiate a contract with a party that doesn't even recognize your existence. That doesn't make any kind of sense. But FAR more to the point, Israel just found a huge source of natural gas off its own coastline in Haifa, likely greatly reducing the signficance of this Gazan depost. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232265973374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter Nice theory.

Unfortunately, its not backed by reality.

If Israel wanted to seize the gas off of Gaza’s coast it could do so with impunity, and lacking any naval military resources whatever, the Gazans couldn’t do anything about it.

You don’t fight a close-quarters war in Gaza city to seize resources off shore or to renegotiate a contract with a party that doesn’t even recognize your existence. That doesn’t make any kind of sense.

But FAR more to the point, Israel just found a huge source of natural gas off its own coastline in Haifa, likely greatly reducing the signficance of this Gazan depost.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232265973374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

]]> By: bicyclemark http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164709 bicyclemark Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:04:39 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164709 It surprises me that someone that has it all figured out would even need to comment. Id argue its a waste of your time. It surprises me that someone that has it all figured out would even need to comment. Id argue its a waste of your time.

]]> By: bicyclemark http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164708 bicyclemark Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:03:29 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164708 Hi Eva. Oh I didn't mean anything that stark when it comes to the supposed causes of this mess. No, rather my intention to to point out what is no small part of this violent and corrupt puzzle. And i definitely don't like when its just summarized as a matter of self-defense or safety.. no no.. there are resources and there is money to be had. - thanks for the comment. Hi Eva. Oh I didn’t mean anything that stark when it comes to the supposed causes of this mess. No, rather my intention to to point out what is no small part of this violent and corrupt puzzle. And i definitely don’t like when its just summarized as a matter of self-defense or safety.. no no.. there are resources and there is money to be had. – thanks for the comment.

]]> By: Sean http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164707 Sean Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:00:31 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164707 I thank and praise all the Gods in the heavens that I am not as stupid as you! Why believe the truth when a juvenile conspiracy theory will do... Sad cunt! I thank and praise all the Gods in the heavens that I am not as stupid as you!

Why believe the truth when a juvenile conspiracy theory will do…

Sad cunt!

]]> By: Eva, Canada http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164706 Eva, Canada Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:05:26 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164706 You mean that the thousands of rockets Hamas launched at Israel had nothing to do with it? Wow, I'll have to think hard before this sinks in! Awesome, dude! You mean that the thousands of rockets Hamas launched at Israel had nothing to do with it? Wow, I’ll have to think hard before this sinks in! Awesome, dude!

]]> By: Rantings of a Sandmonkey » The Ghaza War is over Gas! http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164705 Rantings of a Sandmonkey » The Ghaza War is over Gas! Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:07:21 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164705 [...] friends- those renegades of truth and stelwarts of resistance- have shown us the real reason why this war is taking place: GAS. Yes, The Ghaza war ia apprently the latest war of agression the Imperialists are waging to [...] [...] friends- those renegades of truth and stelwarts of resistance- have shown us the real reason why this war is taking place: GAS. Yes, The Ghaza war ia apprently the latest war of agression the Imperialists are waging to [...]

]]> By: Richard Barry http://citizenreporter.org/2009/01/bm292-the-battle-for-gaza-gas-reserves/comment-page-1/#comment-164704 Richard Barry Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:28:53 +0000 http://citizenreporter.org/?p=1568#comment-164704 This news needs to be heard. Thanks for getting it out there! This news needs to be heard. Thanks for getting it out there!

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