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	<title>Comments on: Crazy New Jersey Beaches</title>
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		<title>By: Tami</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2008/07/crazy-new-jersey-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-163423</link>
		<dc:creator>Tami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know what, Stasevich, I totally agree with you. and as for your question about state parks? A lot of them DO cost money. 

I grew up in this town called New Paltz, NY, which is about 2 hours from NYC and all mountains. I grew up going swimmings in rivers, lakes, and jumping off cliffs into cold mountain water. When we wanted to hike or swim, we just pulled the car over to the side of the road, walked through the woods, and went about our day.

Those very same places that I used to hike and swim in for free are now charging money -a LOT of money - to use. Something like $10 or more for a day... and I just don&#039;t get it. It makes me really sad thinking that if they were charging those rates when I was growing up, there&#039;s no way I would have been able to hike and swim in the places I did. its something that me and my friends are all outraged about, but kids growing up now in that area don&#039;t know that it hasn&#039;t always been like this, and they think it&#039;s normal to pay $10 each to park their car on a dirt road and jump off some cliffs to go swimming... whereas it used to just be a normal part of life in upstate new york.

sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what, Stasevich, I totally agree with you. and as for your question about state parks? A lot of them DO cost money. </p>
<p>I grew up in this town called New Paltz, NY, which is about 2 hours from NYC and all mountains. I grew up going swimmings in rivers, lakes, and jumping off cliffs into cold mountain water. When we wanted to hike or swim, we just pulled the car over to the side of the road, walked through the woods, and went about our day.</p>
<p>Those very same places that I used to hike and swim in for free are now charging money -a LOT of money &#8211; to use. Something like $10 or more for a day&#8230; and I just don&#8217;t get it. It makes me really sad thinking that if they were charging those rates when I was growing up, there&#8217;s no way I would have been able to hike and swim in the places I did. its something that me and my friends are all outraged about, but kids growing up now in that area don&#8217;t know that it hasn&#8217;t always been like this, and they think it&#8217;s normal to pay $10 each to park their car on a dirt road and jump off some cliffs to go swimming&#8230; whereas it used to just be a normal part of life in upstate new york.</p>
<p>sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Stasevich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stasevich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I personaly belive that some people out there dont have maps.....&quot;
I think it&#039;s BS that beaches are not free and you have to pay that much some, even raised the fees this summer.
Just think about you pay $7 freeking dollars to lay on the sand under the sun and deeping your body in the solty water, all natural resourses. 
+ you cannot carry drinks, food, if you carry some u have to sneak it in.

I get the ecnomics behind cleaing the beaches and having live guard.
But being foreigner and having a desire to travel allot, i can tell u that NJ suck. THe sand/water are not cleanest, the guards are overreacting uncompitent paranoics,  and beaches have no facilities whatsover, comparing to many free beaches that personly been to around the world.
You have to walk like quoter-half a mile somethimes to use a bathroom, or change cloth. How much is a freaking plastic change cabing cost? I am preety sure that&#039;s dont spend nealry as much resourses and is not costing nj beach holding townships nearly as much as they are collecting in admission fees.

i think beaches should be like an honor system, u pay whatever u can/want like Metropolitain museum in NJ.
I think they can take some money by having meeters for parking, instead of having them free, or have some spaces with paid parking for like 10$ a day. Or they should make money of other services, like having more of places to eat right next to the beach, rent chairs and umbrellas.

basicly paying $35 for family, to just lay under the sun,  (and many people dont even lay on the sun, they seat in their own chairs. that they carries on theyr backs for like 5 blocks, after driving for 30-70 miles on their huge SUVs with 9 miles per gal @ 4.09 a gallon.):):)): well you get my frastration.

Why state parks are not paid than?
What if I dont have money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I personaly belive that some people out there dont have maps&#8230;..&#8221;<br />
I think it&#8217;s BS that beaches are not free and you have to pay that much some, even raised the fees this summer.<br />
Just think about you pay $7 freeking dollars to lay on the sand under the sun and deeping your body in the solty water, all natural resourses.<br />
+ you cannot carry drinks, food, if you carry some u have to sneak it in.</p>
<p>I get the ecnomics behind cleaing the beaches and having live guard.<br />
But being foreigner and having a desire to travel allot, i can tell u that NJ suck. THe sand/water are not cleanest, the guards are overreacting uncompitent paranoics,  and beaches have no facilities whatsover, comparing to many free beaches that personly been to around the world.<br />
You have to walk like quoter-half a mile somethimes to use a bathroom, or change cloth. How much is a freaking plastic change cabing cost? I am preety sure that&#8217;s dont spend nealry as much resourses and is not costing nj beach holding townships nearly as much as they are collecting in admission fees.</p>
<p>i think beaches should be like an honor system, u pay whatever u can/want like Metropolitain museum in NJ.<br />
I think they can take some money by having meeters for parking, instead of having them free, or have some spaces with paid parking for like 10$ a day. Or they should make money of other services, like having more of places to eat right next to the beach, rent chairs and umbrellas.</p>
<p>basicly paying $35 for family, to just lay under the sun,  (and many people dont even lay on the sun, they seat in their own chairs. that they carries on theyr backs for like 5 blocks, after driving for 30-70 miles on their huge SUVs with 9 miles per gal @ 4.09 a gallon.):):)): well you get my frastration.</p>
<p>Why state parks are not paid than?<br />
What if I dont have money?</p>
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		<title>By: lemarie17</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2008/07/crazy-new-jersey-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-163411</link>
		<dc:creator>lemarie17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re going to the shore.  What a benny!! Just messing with you, hee,hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re going to the shore.  What a benny!! Just messing with you, hee,hee.</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2008/07/crazy-new-jersey-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-163403</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh ya in alot of the APP articles they mention that all the wildwoods and AC are free and the mayors are adamant of how important that is.

I also think they should do a better job at free beaches, like you mentioned... rake the sand, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ya in alot of the APP articles they mention that all the wildwoods and AC are free and the mayors are adamant of how important that is.</p>
<p>I also think they should do a better job at free beaches, like you mentioned&#8230; rake the sand, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: DRock</title>
		<link>http://citizenreporter.org/2008/07/crazy-new-jersey-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-163397</link>
		<dc:creator>DRock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha the old pay for the beach question.  I think NJ towns have been charging to use the beach for a long time I remember having to wear a little beach badge when I was little. 

And I&#039;ve been to a few the free beaches in VA and MD and they&#039;re pretty rugged, rocky, and lack good sand, life guards and board walks etc..  Also there are something like 40mil people that live within 100 miles of the NJ shore and many of them head to the beaches each weekend in the summer and these small towns have to provided tons of additional resources to nonresidents (police, garbage collection, life guards, emt,)- Also the sand is raked every morning on most NJ beaches not is not the case most places. 

So if you have to pay a few$ to get on a beach in NJ whatever you&#039;re on vacation.  There are also a few free beaches by wildwood and AC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha the old pay for the beach question.  I think NJ towns have been charging to use the beach for a long time I remember having to wear a little beach badge when I was little. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve been to a few the free beaches in VA and MD and they&#8217;re pretty rugged, rocky, and lack good sand, life guards and board walks etc..  Also there are something like 40mil people that live within 100 miles of the NJ shore and many of them head to the beaches each weekend in the summer and these small towns have to provided tons of additional resources to nonresidents (police, garbage collection, life guards, emt,)- Also the sand is raked every morning on most NJ beaches not is not the case most places. </p>
<p>So if you have to pay a few$ to get on a beach in NJ whatever you&#8217;re on vacation.  There are also a few free beaches by wildwood and AC</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all just proving something that should in essence be free to all, is now turning into a commercialised enterprise (disaster).
Beaches, it&#039;s like some one was looking around for something totally natural and said &quot;here we can can make money from this!&quot;.  If it is tax money so as to keep the beaches clean I&#039;m all for such things, but actually privatising and charging beach usage is fundamentally wrong.  What about those who have no money, and the only thing for means of escape is the beach, because they can&#039;t afford to take the kids anywhere else on holiday. For them the beach is local and gives the family something to look forward to.  For this reason alone if I was living in the US I would be demonstrating against it.  The way to the beach is highly commercialised.  Once the beaches are Commercialised what is there left in the US for all those really low wage or no wage families to do?.  Maybe they should take a leaf out of the British National Trust scheme, keeping funding there but keeping large areas of beauty also free to access. just a thought.
This comes to me just as ridiculous as the charge by local Governments in Germany for rain water falling on your property, and a minimal amount &quot;could&quot; end up in the drains and the disposal there of after, this water is required to keep the drains (when it doesn&#039;t flood) clear.  For me it&#039;s just a warning, as more and more people earn less, and can afford less due to prices raising up through the roof, and wages don&#039;t increase. If you want to avoid an apocalypse you got to leave the populous something, otherwise Southland Tales is looking more like the immediate future minus the treer/time rip/two souls walking the earth story-line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all just proving something that should in essence be free to all, is now turning into a commercialised enterprise (disaster).<br />
Beaches, it&#8217;s like some one was looking around for something totally natural and said &#8220;here we can can make money from this!&#8221;.  If it is tax money so as to keep the beaches clean I&#8217;m all for such things, but actually privatising and charging beach usage is fundamentally wrong.  What about those who have no money, and the only thing for means of escape is the beach, because they can&#8217;t afford to take the kids anywhere else on holiday. For them the beach is local and gives the family something to look forward to.  For this reason alone if I was living in the US I would be demonstrating against it.  The way to the beach is highly commercialised.  Once the beaches are Commercialised what is there left in the US for all those really low wage or no wage families to do?.  Maybe they should take a leaf out of the British National Trust scheme, keeping funding there but keeping large areas of beauty also free to access. just a thought.<br />
This comes to me just as ridiculous as the charge by local Governments in Germany for rain water falling on your property, and a minimal amount &#8220;could&#8221; end up in the drains and the disposal there of after, this water is required to keep the drains (when it doesn&#8217;t flood) clear.  For me it&#8217;s just a warning, as more and more people earn less, and can afford less due to prices raising up through the roof, and wages don&#8217;t increase. If you want to avoid an apocalypse you got to leave the populous something, otherwise Southland Tales is looking more like the immediate future minus the treer/time rip/two souls walking the earth story-line.</p>
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